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ISS General Discussion / Re: ISS in Real Time is coming soon!
« on: October 27, 2025, 07:37:09 am »
I am intrigued. Presumably this will be REAL real time. Look forward to finding out more.
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Other Apollo Missions
« on: October 23, 2025, 04:10:22 am »The NSF grant information says the end date for the project is now July 2025.
Well, the NSF grant seems to have been extended AGAIN. Now is listed as "June 30, 2026 (Estimated)."
At least they haven't given up yet?
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Other Apollo Missions
« on: May 24, 2025, 11:50:00 am »Apollo 16 is being digitized! This means that our project team could get access to the data this summer and begin creation of an Apollo 16 in Real Time.Excellent news! Really looking forward to it. Do you have any idea of the status of the other missions?
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Other Apollo Missions
« on: January 07, 2025, 03:46:51 pm »Sorry for the late reply to this Naraht, but -- this is definitely a worthwhile update. Thanks for bringing this to our attention.I'm reading tea leaves! But we'll keep hope alive. Glad you found it useful.
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Other Apollo Missions
« on: December 12, 2024, 04:33:09 am »
The NSF grant information says the end date for the project is now July 2025.
The most recent paper I can find says they've preserved over 75,000 hours out of an estimated 150,000 hours of audio. (Apollo 11 is apparently 19,000 hours in total.) See: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10446811
So... maybe they're getting somewhere? But I'm not sure this is an advance from the previous news that they'd digitized Apollo 8, 9 and 10.
The most recent paper I can find says they've preserved over 75,000 hours out of an estimated 150,000 hours of audio. (Apollo 11 is apparently 19,000 hours in total.) See: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/10446811
So... maybe they're getting somewhere? But I'm not sure this is an advance from the previous news that they'd digitized Apollo 8, 9 and 10.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 116:58:07 Trench creates the Flight Dynamics re-entry checklist
« on: April 05, 2024, 05:38:09 am »
What an interesting find, thank you so much for sharing! I haven't yet listened all the way through but am looking forward to it.
Dave Reed was the right man to be lead FIDO on this mission, I would say. He did an impressive job bringing things together. If he hadn't left, I imagine he would have been in line to become a flight director.
Dave Reed was the right man to be lead FIDO on this mission, I would say. He did an impressive job bringing things together. If he hadn't left, I imagine he would have been in line to become a flight director.
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Other Apollo Missions
« on: November 30, 2023, 08:58:45 am »Short answer: NASA is having difficulty getting the historical tapes from the National Archives.Wow! Are there issues with other missions or just 16?
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Accurate edition of Apollo 11 (2019) movie?
« on: November 26, 2023, 05:25:17 am »
I'm not aware of anything like this, I'm afraid.
Why don't you do some research and pull a guide together, if it's a topic that interests you?
Why don't you do some research and pull a guide together, if it's a topic that interests you?
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Apollo General Discussion / Challenger STS-51L Flight Director loop
« on: November 22, 2023, 07:42:21 am »
Apologies that this is slightly off-topic, but I thought people might be interested to listen to an extended version of the flight director loop during and after the Challenger disaster. This apparently isn't new but I hadn't heard the full recording before, which goes up until the controllers are released from their duties.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJNvXCAiRE4
In particular, those of you who are acquainted with Jay Greene as an Apollo-era FIDO may be interested to hear him here as a Flight Director, during one of NASA's darkest hours. (His last mission. Perhaps unsurprisingly, he chose not to return to Mission Control after this.)
Having heard him frequently joking around when calling checkpoints during the Apollo program, I find it almost unbearably poignant to hear him here reminding the GC that they need a checkpoint. Not to mention his words at the end telling controllers not to speak with anyone about what happened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJNvXCAiRE4
In particular, those of you who are acquainted with Jay Greene as an Apollo-era FIDO may be interested to hear him here as a Flight Director, during one of NASA's darkest hours. (His last mission. Perhaps unsurprisingly, he chose not to return to Mission Control after this.)
Having heard him frequently joking around when calling checkpoints during the Apollo program, I find it almost unbearably poignant to hear him here reminding the GC that they need a checkpoint. Not to mention his words at the end telling controllers not to speak with anyone about what happened.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 140:03:43 RETRO Chuck Deiterich gets spooked by YAW
« on: November 02, 2023, 02:38:10 pm »
No lie - I would waste so much time (re)listening to those. What a brilliant idea!
Probably you have tons of material already but you might consider starting some themed threads in the general forum, so that people could share clips that you might have missed.
My dream find: Steve Bales' colleagues in the Trench occasionally had to phone him to wake him up in time for the start of shift. Apparently these calls were quite funny so they sometimes played them back. The fact they were recorded makes me suspect that the calls came from Mission Control - maybe they went and did them from the Booster console? But it would be amazing to find a Bales wake-up call one day. Maybe from one of the other missions.
Best of Jack Garman would also be great. He was quite a character too.
Probably you have tons of material already but you might consider starting some themed threads in the general forum, so that people could share clips that you might have missed.
My dream find: Steve Bales' colleagues in the Trench occasionally had to phone him to wake him up in time for the start of shift. Apparently these calls were quite funny so they sometimes played them back. The fact they were recorded makes me suspect that the calls came from Mission Control - maybe they went and did them from the Booster console? But it would be amazing to find a Bales wake-up call one day. Maybe from one of the other missions.
Best of Jack Garman would also be great. He was quite a character too.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 140:03:43 RETRO Chuck Deiterich gets spooked by YAW
« on: November 02, 2023, 09:32:38 am »
A somewhat related Deiterich moment: "don't scare me like that!"
But as he says afterwards, "it's better to overreact than to underreact... just keep it between us."
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=004:06:34&ch=19
But as he says afterwards, "it's better to overreact than to underreact... just keep it between us."
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=004:06:34&ch=19
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 004:03:35 RETRO Chuck Deiterich is floundering
« on: November 02, 2023, 09:18:51 am »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=004:03:35&ch=19
Chuck Deiterich takes a little while to remember why he called re-entry support.
"I've got too many things going on in my ear... Let me pull myself together. I'm floundering."
Chuck Deiterich takes a little while to remember why he called re-entry support.
"I've got too many things going on in my ear... Let me pull myself together. I'm floundering."
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 133:58:34 Reed: "If this damn PGNS gets in the way, I'm gonna raise hell!"
« on: October 31, 2023, 04:34:07 pm »I've regarded him as probably one of the most senior FIDOs in the Trench, particularly after Bostick and Shaffer became leaders of the Flight Dynamics branch. Jay Greene was brilliant, of course, but Reed had all the confidence in the world - a must when dealing with other members of his cohort.No argument on "one of the most senior." You only have to look at the fact that Reed and Greene were the only two FIDOs ever to work a lunar descent. Their reputation must have been high indeed.
Of course there was a little bit of rivalry between Reed and Greene. As you may know already, Ed Pavelka assigned Greene to work descent on Apollo 11, and as he says: "Dave Reed was incensed. He could not stand it... I heard a lot of complaints over the years from Dave on that and I think it ended up frustrating him to the point where... he quit NASA." (Greene says the same thing in his own oral history; Reed denies it.)
It occurs to me that Reed might well have become a flight director if he hadn't left. Shaffer and Greene both did. (Bostick interestingly not.) The position of FIDO seems to have been a good launching pad, unsurprisingly.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 133:58:34 Reed: "If this damn PGNS gets in the way, I'm gonna raise hell!"
« on: October 31, 2023, 02:32:49 am »
To be fair, compare and contrast Dave Reed before the accident, having an argument with Booster because Marshall want to use his vector and he says agreed procedure is that they should calculate their own. (This is part of an argument that started much earlier.)
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=005:28:02&ch=20
He certainly sounds fresher but equally testy. I think he had a little bit of a temper.
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=005:28:02&ch=20
He certainly sounds fresher but equally testy. I think he had a little bit of a temper.
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Apollo General Discussion / Re: Other Apollo Missions
« on: October 05, 2023, 08:39:47 am »
In case anyone is interested, I've been digging for information about how the digitization process is progressing, and this paper from June 2022 is highly encouraging:
"The years 2020 and first half of 2021 were marked by slowly moving digitization efforts due to COVID-19 restrictions. Even with these restrictions, CRSS-UTDallas was able to digitize an additional 50,000 hours of audio. This audio is recorded at 44.1Khz at NASA, JSC which houses the only existing system that can play the Apollo analog tapes. Entire Apollo 8, 9, and 10 were digitized, providing valuable information on MCC speakers." Source: https://aclanthology.org/2022.nidcp-1.3.pdf
"The years 2020 and first half of 2021 were marked by slowly moving digitization efforts due to COVID-19 restrictions. Even with these restrictions, CRSS-UTDallas was able to digitize an additional 50,000 hours of audio. This audio is recorded at 44.1Khz at NASA, JSC which houses the only existing system that can play the Apollo analog tapes. Entire Apollo 8, 9, and 10 were digitized, providing valuable information on MCC speakers." Source: https://aclanthology.org/2022.nidcp-1.3.pdf