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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 052:38:46 Liebergot chats about his day with John Aaron
« on: June 12, 2021, 03:56:45 pm »
Nice find! I love these check-in calls.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 003:01:39 Kerwin messes up instruction to crew; Garman aghast
« on: May 26, 2021, 05:52:31 pm »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=003:01:39&ch=22
Kerwin (Capcom): And, 13, Houston. Check your Noun 17 for extraction pitch attitude. It should be 319 degrees. Over.
Garman (AGC): Noun 22, Noun 22!
Guidance (Yaw?) tells him they'll wait and see what happens. Garman replies, "if the Capcom is gonna say something, he should say it right."
Later, Garman, watching what the crew are doing: "Now maybe he's catching on.... Yay! He figured it out.... No, he still didn't figure it out. Let's see what he does. No, no! I'm gonna have a heart attack... If I were you I'd lean back and tell the Capcom that he figured it out despite him."
It's easy to be a critic from the back room...
Kerwin (Capcom): And, 13, Houston. Check your Noun 17 for extraction pitch attitude. It should be 319 degrees. Over.
Garman (AGC): Noun 22, Noun 22!
Guidance (Yaw?) tells him they'll wait and see what happens. Garman replies, "if the Capcom is gonna say something, he should say it right."
Later, Garman, watching what the crew are doing: "Now maybe he's catching on.... Yay! He figured it out.... No, he still didn't figure it out. Let's see what he does. No, no! I'm gonna have a heart attack... If I were you I'd lean back and tell the Capcom that he figured it out despite him."
It's easy to be a critic from the back room...
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 021:10:58 Bales forgets his own callsign and then Swigert's name
« on: May 26, 2021, 04:02:04 pm »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=021:10:58&ch=21
"AGC from Yaw... uh, Guidance. Which one of the fellows did the P23, was it Lovell or was it the other one... the CMP?"
He makes the "Yaw" mistake several times, which I guess is unsurprising given that those two roles did swap off (Yaw usually being a more junior, assistant role). Forgetting Swigert's name is a bit less forgivable, even if he was a last minute replacement!
"AGC from Yaw... uh, Guidance. Which one of the fellows did the P23, was it Lovell or was it the other one... the CMP?"
He makes the "Yaw" mistake several times, which I guess is unsurprising given that those two roles did swap off (Yaw usually being a more junior, assistant role). Forgetting Swigert's name is a bit less forgivable, even if he was a last minute replacement!
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 047:08:04 Garman: "Know your system status when you come on, Steve!"
« on: May 26, 2021, 03:56:19 pm »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=047:08:04&ch=22
Steve Bales has a mini panic over a 'dead' PTC program (did he really say "shit!" on the loop?) and then gets mockingly told off by Jack Garman.
Steve Bales has a mini panic over a 'dead' PTC program (did he really say "shit!" on the loop?) and then gets mockingly told off by Jack Garman.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 045:35:37 Bales orders lunch from the MSC cafeteria
« on: May 26, 2021, 03:54:11 pm »6
Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 045:07:02 Steve Bales didn't fill out his timesheet
« on: May 26, 2021, 03:11:18 pm »7
Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 048:44:15 Greene: "what's this 'hey babe' stuff?"
« on: May 24, 2021, 04:11:43 pm »
Never a dull moment, you've got to give him that! Half the time I get the feeling that he was just trying to keep himself from getting bored.
If I'd been Greene's middle school teacher, I'm sure I would have considered him a smart aleck, but as it is I think he's great.
If I'd been Greene's middle school teacher, I'm sure I would have considered him a smart aleck, but as it is I think he's great.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 048:44:15 Greene: "what's this 'hey babe' stuff?"
« on: May 23, 2021, 12:39:04 pm »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=048:44:15&ch=20
Jay Greene: What do you want?
Unknown caller: Hey babe, have you updated since 45+38?
Greene: What's this 'hey babe' stuff?
Caller: I learned it from you!
Greene: Listen babe, we're in the control center, this conversation is being recorded, you call me "FIDO, sir"
Caller: Control center conversation mode: FIDO, sir.
Greene: Go.
And after a conversation they close with...
Greene: We'll see you, babe.
Caller: Appreciate it, FIDO, sir.
Greene: Ciao, ciao.
Jay Greene: What do you want?
Unknown caller: Hey babe, have you updated since 45+38?
Greene: What's this 'hey babe' stuff?
Caller: I learned it from you!
Greene: Listen babe, we're in the control center, this conversation is being recorded, you call me "FIDO, sir"
Caller: Control center conversation mode: FIDO, sir.
Greene: Go.
And after a conversation they close with...
Greene: We'll see you, babe.
Caller: Appreciate it, FIDO, sir.
Greene: Ciao, ciao.
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General Discussion / Re: I can put together a transcript for EECOM loops
« on: May 23, 2021, 08:27:53 am »
Sorry for the delay in replying but this is great! I'll look forward to seeing more.
As regards the equation issue, I would suggest maybe just writing it out as they speak it on the loop. That way it wouldn't keep you from being able to use Google docs.
Your list of names looks right to me, although if I remember I'll double check in the Lovell and Kluger book, which probably has the most detailed identification. The FIDO is definitely Bill Stoval.
One note, though - Liebergot is spelled with one T, not two.
As regards the equation issue, I would suggest maybe just writing it out as they speak it on the loop. That way it wouldn't keep you from being able to use Google docs.
Your list of names looks right to me, although if I remember I'll double check in the Lovell and Kluger book, which probably has the most detailed identification. The FIDO is definitely Bill Stoval.
One note, though - Liebergot is spelled with one T, not two.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 090:32:10 Deiterich: "I got really bent out of shape with Greene"
« on: May 04, 2021, 03:01:44 pm »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=090:32:10&ch=19
A long telephone discussion between Chuck Deiterich and his fellow Retro John Llewellyn, in which they discuss all the key planning meetings that are happening, and who needs to go to what.
Deiterich says that Jay Greene is going to the Data Priority Meeting but he's happy once Llewellyn offers to go too. "I don't think it would hurt anything... I could imagine a Johnny Mayer type [head of MPAD] bringing in data like he did yesterday... I got really bent out of shape with Greene... I says you weren't around yesterday before that burn, everybody with their plans..."
A long telephone discussion between Chuck Deiterich and his fellow Retro John Llewellyn, in which they discuss all the key planning meetings that are happening, and who needs to go to what.
Deiterich says that Jay Greene is going to the Data Priority Meeting but he's happy once Llewellyn offers to go too. "I don't think it would hurt anything... I could imagine a Johnny Mayer type [head of MPAD] bringing in data like he did yesterday... I got really bent out of shape with Greene... I says you weren't around yesterday before that burn, everybody with their plans..."
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General Discussion / Re: I can put together a transcript for EECOM loops
« on: May 04, 2021, 02:43:37 pm »
Once again, what a great idea. It's very generous of you to offer to do, and share, these.
I'd be happy to help with identifying controllers and double-checking the jargon where possible.
For Apollo 13, there's a lot of good action on the Retro loop from 137 hours onwards until splashdown at 143 or so. Retro leading the flight dynamics work at that point, obviously, because they were responsible for re-entry. That would be my first recommendation for Apollo 13.
Earlier on, the serious discussion of burn options on the FIDO loop seems to start around 063 hours and presumably runs up until the PC+2 burn at 079:30 or so (though I haven't listened that far yet).
But I guess if I were going to start anywhere with the FIDO loop I would start with Apollo 11. The descent is, of course, gripping, as is the immediate aftermath when FIDO is still trying to work out where they landed. Maybe from 101 to 105 hours?
Also of interest on Apollo 11 is the preparation for the TEI burn, because there was all sorts of hassle and miscommunication and rescheduling, with FIDO (Greene) and RETRO (Deiterich) as a wonderfully bickering double act. That runs roughly from 128 to 131 hours, although the post-burn analysis and bickering continues through to 135 hours.
Hope that's useful! I have pretty detailed logs of the sections I've listened through, but only in the sense I've noted down what I found amusing or interesting... not encyclopedic at all, just an aide memoire.
I'd be happy to help with identifying controllers and double-checking the jargon where possible.
For Apollo 13, there's a lot of good action on the Retro loop from 137 hours onwards until splashdown at 143 or so. Retro leading the flight dynamics work at that point, obviously, because they were responsible for re-entry. That would be my first recommendation for Apollo 13.
Earlier on, the serious discussion of burn options on the FIDO loop seems to start around 063 hours and presumably runs up until the PC+2 burn at 079:30 or so (though I haven't listened that far yet).
But I guess if I were going to start anywhere with the FIDO loop I would start with Apollo 11. The descent is, of course, gripping, as is the immediate aftermath when FIDO is still trying to work out where they landed. Maybe from 101 to 105 hours?
Also of interest on Apollo 11 is the preparation for the TEI burn, because there was all sorts of hassle and miscommunication and rescheduling, with FIDO (Greene) and RETRO (Deiterich) as a wonderfully bickering double act. That runs roughly from 128 to 131 hours, although the post-burn analysis and bickering continues through to 135 hours.
Hope that's useful! I have pretty detailed logs of the sections I've listened through, but only in the sense I've noted down what I found amusing or interesting... not encyclopedic at all, just an aide memoire.
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General Discussion / Re: I can put together a transcript for EECOM loops
« on: May 04, 2021, 05:32:01 am »
Yes, any such transcripts would be amazing!
If you're looking to transcribe flight dynamics loops as well, I would suggest that the immediate aftermath of the Apollo 13 accident is probably not where the most interesting action is – having done a lot of listening to the FIDO and Retro loops myself, I could make some suggestions if that would be useful. But any transcripts would absolutely be welcome.
If you're looking to transcribe flight dynamics loops as well, I would suggest that the immediate aftermath of the Apollo 13 accident is probably not where the most interesting action is – having done a lot of listening to the FIDO and Retro loops myself, I could make some suggestions if that would be useful. But any transcripts would absolutely be welcome.
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / Re: 018:17:15 Steve Bales caught snoozing??
« on: April 12, 2021, 03:43:14 am »
I've read that his fellow controllers played back some of the Bales wake-up call tapes, for amusement value, so I'm hoping that at least one of them turns up in these hundreds of thousands of hours of recordings!
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / -03:05:35 Weight increase "due to one crewman"
« on: April 12, 2021, 02:47:21 am »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=-03:05:35&ch=50
Not my find but worth sharing for those who didn't see it on Twitter...
Retro updates Flight about the new weight of the spacecraft - 32 pounds heavier due to one crewman. In other words because Jack Swigert replaced Ken Mattingly!
Not my find but worth sharing for those who didn't see it on Twitter...
Retro updates Flight about the new weight of the spacecraft - 32 pounds heavier due to one crewman. In other words because Jack Swigert replaced Ken Mattingly!
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Apollo 13 Moments of Interest / 018:17:15 Steve Bales caught snoozing??
« on: April 04, 2021, 08:11:54 am »
https://apolloinrealtime.org/13/?t=018:17:15&ch=20
Retro calls Steve Bales in the middle of a very quiet night shift:
"Just to see if you're on the loop there. Looked like you might have been snoozing."
Bales' only response is: "Really? Oh."
I think he might have been! He was apparently notorious for oversleeping unless someone called him a couple of hours before his shift started.
Retro calls Steve Bales in the middle of a very quiet night shift:
"Just to see if you're on the loop there. Looked like you might have been snoozing."
Bales' only response is: "Really? Oh."
I think he might have been! He was apparently notorious for oversleeping unless someone called him a couple of hours before his shift started.